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	<title>Comments on: Refrigerator Busting &#8211; You Know What the Speed Force Needs More Of?</title>
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		<title>By: Zeke</title>
		<link>http://highfivecomics.net/2009/11/18/refrigerator-busting-02-you-know-what-the-speed-force-needs-more-of/#comment-487</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iris the next Flash?  I&#039;d put money on her being at least the next &lt;i&gt;Kid&lt;/i&gt; Flash.  Mark Waid spent so much time foreshadowing it during his run (and Kingdom Come) that they&#039;re sure to follow through eventually.  

But at this point, I don&#039;t think we can expect a new main Flash for a long time.  The job has changed hands (boots?) three times in as many years.  Much as I love him, I didn&#039;t want Barry to come back -- his influence as a dead character has been too important for too long -- but one thing that helps is the unspoken promise of stability at long last.  They&#039;ve &lt;i&gt;got&lt;/i&gt; to stick with Barry now, at least for a few years; they&#039;ve invested too much in his return.

That makes things a little... complicated for the current generation of readers.  As you say, Barry was our parents&#039; Flash, Wally was ours.  (I came in at #42, during the excellent Bill Loebs run that&#039;s sadly overlooked nowadays.)  But our kids?  They&#039;ll have the same situation with Flash that they do with Green Lantern -- a sort of equilibrium, with the first three heroes all bearing the name at once.  &lt;i&gt;Our&lt;/i&gt; three guys are safe; although I shudder to think of Wally getting bounced from title to title like Kyle Rayner, Kyle&#039;s still doing pretty well for himself.  But new kids won&#039;t have a Flash to call their own.  They&#039;ll just have to learn the history of the ones we&#039;ve got.

That&#039;s why it&#039;ll be so important, once Rebirth wraps up, to tell new Barry stories that don&#039;t rely too heavily on the old ones.  If he&#039;s our main Flash again, then he has to be accessible for new readers.  I wish I could be optimistic about that... unfortunately, Geoff Johns is the most continuity-obsessed writer to hit comics since Roy Thomas.  He&#039;s very good at stories for diehard fans, very bad at welcoming newcomers.

I hope by the time I have kids and they&#039;re old enough for comics, DC has something akin to the Marvel Age line.  In so many ways, their main line is just not for kids anymore.

ANYWAY.  All that said, I&#039;d love to see Iris be the Flash someday.  Bart is still ahead of her in line, but I have a feeling that if he ever takes up the cowl again, it&#039;ll be in some future era.  There&#039;s precedent for that (ask Barry) and DC won&#039;t want to repeat their failure with Bart-Flash in the present.

I also agree about Joan, Iris, and Linda being superb female supporting characters.  Joan even continued to be one in Wally&#039;s book during the years that Jay was &quot;dead&quot;.  But for my money, Iris takes the cake; as written by Cary Bates (for 10 years!), she was the best non-superhero wife in &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; comic.  Waid made a big deal of Linda being important and independent and so on; Bates just quietly &lt;i&gt;wrote&lt;/i&gt; Iris that way.  She&#039;s a model that modern comics would do well to follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iris the next Flash?  I&#8217;d put money on her being at least the next <i>Kid</i> Flash.  Mark Waid spent so much time foreshadowing it during his run (and Kingdom Come) that they&#8217;re sure to follow through eventually.  </p>
<p>But at this point, I don&#8217;t think we can expect a new main Flash for a long time.  The job has changed hands (boots?) three times in as many years.  Much as I love him, I didn&#8217;t want Barry to come back &#8212; his influence as a dead character has been too important for too long &#8212; but one thing that helps is the unspoken promise of stability at long last.  They&#8217;ve <i>got</i> to stick with Barry now, at least for a few years; they&#8217;ve invested too much in his return.</p>
<p>That makes things a little&#8230; complicated for the current generation of readers.  As you say, Barry was our parents&#8217; Flash, Wally was ours.  (I came in at #42, during the excellent Bill Loebs run that&#8217;s sadly overlooked nowadays.)  But our kids?  They&#8217;ll have the same situation with Flash that they do with Green Lantern &#8212; a sort of equilibrium, with the first three heroes all bearing the name at once.  <i>Our</i> three guys are safe; although I shudder to think of Wally getting bounced from title to title like Kyle Rayner, Kyle&#8217;s still doing pretty well for himself.  But new kids won&#8217;t have a Flash to call their own.  They&#8217;ll just have to learn the history of the ones we&#8217;ve got.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why it&#8217;ll be so important, once Rebirth wraps up, to tell new Barry stories that don&#8217;t rely too heavily on the old ones.  If he&#8217;s our main Flash again, then he has to be accessible for new readers.  I wish I could be optimistic about that&#8230; unfortunately, Geoff Johns is the most continuity-obsessed writer to hit comics since Roy Thomas.  He&#8217;s very good at stories for diehard fans, very bad at welcoming newcomers.</p>
<p>I hope by the time I have kids and they&#8217;re old enough for comics, DC has something akin to the Marvel Age line.  In so many ways, their main line is just not for kids anymore.</p>
<p>ANYWAY.  All that said, I&#8217;d love to see Iris be the Flash someday.  Bart is still ahead of her in line, but I have a feeling that if he ever takes up the cowl again, it&#8217;ll be in some future era.  There&#8217;s precedent for that (ask Barry) and DC won&#8217;t want to repeat their failure with Bart-Flash in the present.</p>
<p>I also agree about Joan, Iris, and Linda being superb female supporting characters.  Joan even continued to be one in Wally&#8217;s book during the years that Jay was &#8220;dead&#8221;.  But for my money, Iris takes the cake; as written by Cary Bates (for 10 years!), she was the best non-superhero wife in <i>any</i> comic.  Waid made a big deal of Linda being important and independent and so on; Bates just quietly <i>wrote</i> Iris that way.  She&#8217;s a model that modern comics would do well to follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebirth Responses: Costumes and Identities « Speed Force</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebirth Responses: Costumes and Identities « Speed Force</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] High Five! Comics talks about that &#8220;new hero&#8221; who &#8220;step[s] into an old speedster&#8217;s boots&#8221; in Refrigerator Busting #2: You Know What the Speed Force Needs More Of? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: bubbashelby</title>
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		<dc:creator>bubbashelby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool! Not only do they need to continue the trend of strong female characters with their own titles, but they need to carry them on into toys as well. My daughters love superheroes, and of course they love superhero action figures - unfortunately the female characters tend to be few and far between. Although I will admit there are far more available than when I was a kid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool! Not only do they need to continue the trend of strong female characters with their own titles, but they need to carry them on into toys as well. My daughters love superheroes, and of course they love superhero action figures &#8211; unfortunately the female characters tend to be few and far between. Although I will admit there are far more available than when I was a kid.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie_C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie_C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely!  I was also pretty irked about Jesse&#039;s disappearing pants. Really?!? One of the only practically dressed women in comics, and they take her pants away?!?!

I vote second feature in Kid Flash, it&#039;ll be fun to watch Bart get annoyed with Iris. :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely!  I was also pretty irked about Jesse&#8217;s disappearing pants. Really?!? One of the only practically dressed women in comics, and they take her pants away?!?!</p>
<p>I vote second feature in Kid Flash, it&#8217;ll be fun to watch Bart get annoyed with Iris. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mattchee</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattchee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also hoping that Jesse Quick stay&#039;s on as Jesse Quick (with, y&#039;know, some pants, maybe).  That &quot;girl power&quot; page had a lot of impact, and I could see some really cool mentor/student adventures with her and Irey in an Impulse book or as a second feature in Kid Flash...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also hoping that Jesse Quick stay&#8217;s on as Jesse Quick (with, y&#8217;know, some pants, maybe).  That &#8220;girl power&#8221; page had a lot of impact, and I could see some really cool mentor/student adventures with her and Irey in an Impulse book or as a second feature in Kid Flash&#8230;</p>
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